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		<title>Hydraulic Steering Ratios</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Dashew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our steering pump is mounted at wheel level in the pedestal, you know that gives very poor lock to lock. I noticed that pg 563 in the 1st Encyclopedia shows a pump mounted below the pedestal, with a chain drive to turn it. How do you fill a pump in that position? Can you use [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="question"><p>Our steering pump is mounted at wheel level in the pedestal, you know that gives very poor lock to lock. I noticed that pg 563 in the 1st Encyclopedia shows a pump mounted below the pedestal, with a chain drive to turn it. How do you fill a pump in that position? Can you use it sealed with a reservoir at a lower level? Do you have any better suggestions for solving this problem? &#8211; Mike B.</p></div><span id="more-1423"></span><div class="answer"><p>Hi Mike: Steering ratio is a function of helm pump size, hydraulic cylinder size, and tiller arm length. </p> <p></p> <p>It is usually hard to find helm pumps with enough capacity to get the ratio down to anything reasonable. Hence, the photo of the chain drive from the helm to &quot;overdrive&quot; the helm pump in Offshore Cruising Encyclopedia. </p> <p></p> <p>If you have a pressurized system, such as the Hynautics one we used on Beowulf and Wind Horse, it is possible to fill from the reservoir tank in the engine room. But getting air out at the helm pump can be difficult. So allow for bleed valves and/or a way to catch the oil as it oozes out in the bleeding process. </p> <p></p> <p>Otherwise, if filling the pump itself (at the highest point), there has to be an access door through the pedestal, or if the pump is below the cockpit sole, you need a way to fill through the plug on top. &#8211; Steve </p> <p align="center"></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Wind Vane for O&#8217;Day 22</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Dashew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[What would be the best wind vane for a 22 foot O&#8217;Day sailboat? What do you think of a basic servo-pendulum steering gear? &#8211; Melanie E Hi Melanie: Easy part first &#8211; servo pendulum wind vanes are the most powerful and what we have preferred ourselves (much more on the subject of wind vanes in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="question"><p>What would be the best wind vane for a 22 foot O&#8217;Day sailboat? What do you think of a basic servo-pendulum steering gear? &#8211; Melanie E </p></div><span id="more-1424"></span><div class="answer"><p>Hi Melanie: Easy part first &#8211; servo pendulum wind vanes are the most powerful and what we have preferred ourselves (much more on the subject of wind vanes in our Offshore Cruising Encyclopedia).</p> <p>As to what would be best for an O&#8217;Day 22, that is a tougher question. Because of the small size you might need to find something a little different &#8211; the typical wind vane might be too big. I&#8217;d check with some of the vendors to see what they recommend. One of them is Scanmar at http://www.selfsteer.com/ Good Luck &#8211; Steve</p> <p align="center"></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Rudder Stock on an Aluminum Boat</title>
		<link>http://setsail.com/rudder-stock-on-aluminum-boat/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Dashew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am building an Aluminum Sailboat with a spade rudder and rudder stock. I am planning to use UHMWPE plain bearings. Would it be a good idea to hard anodise the shaft in the area of the bearings to reduce the wear? Would there be any corrosion issues? Thanks, HowardHi Howard: There are several issues [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="question"><p>I am building an Aluminum Sailboat with a spade rudder and rudder stock. I am planning to use UHMWPE plain bearings. Would it be a good idea to hard anodise the shaft in the area of the bearings to reduce the wear? Would there be any corrosion issues? Thanks, Howard</p></div><span id="more-1425"></span><div class="answer"><p>Hi Howard: There are several issues at play. First is the alloy of the rudder stock. If this is 6061 or 6063, it would be best to anodize because of long-term corrosion under water. 5083/6 is not so sensitive and you can get away with using it bare (it is also stronger).</p> <p>As to wear, while the anodized surface is indeed harder, both alloys will wear on the UHMW before the aluminum sheds material.</p> <p>Bottom line&#8211;if you can anodize without busting the budget, I would do so.</p> <p align="center"></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Windvane for Swan 40</title>
		<link>http://setsail.com/windvane-for-swan-40/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Dashew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have bought Prologue, an original 1970 classic Sp&#38;Spears Swan 40. I am going to sail her to Falmouth England&#8230;and then onto West Coast Scotland, Transat from Oxford Maryland. I need a suitable windvane and must, on grounds of cost, try to find one used. Have you any suggestions as to buying one? Keith FHi [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="question"><p>I have bought Prologue, an original 1970 classic Sp&amp;Spears Swan 40. I am going to sail her to Falmouth England&#8230;and then onto West Coast Scotland, Transat from Oxford Maryland. I need a suitable windvane and must, on grounds of cost, try to find one used. Have you any suggestions as to buying one? Keith F</p></div><span id="more-1426"></span><div class="answer"><p>Hi Keith: I would look for an Aires servo pendulum vane. Great unit, lots of them made. They steer like a champ. As to where to find one, that is a bit tougher. I would start with a &quot;Google&quot; web search for &quot;Aries Wind Vane&quot; or maybe &quot;Nick Franklin&quot; who used to build them. Monitor makes a modern version of the Aries in stainless, but they are going to be more costly and are no more functional.</p> <p>I know they turn up from time to time as my daughter found one some years ago on a boat in Mexico and added it to her boat. Good Luck &#8211; Steve </p> <p align="center"></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Hydraulic Steering for 65&#8242; Steel Motorsailor</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Dashew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, My wife and I are looking at buying a 65&#8242; steel hull motorsailor that is not finished. By that I mean all that&#8217;s there is a complete hull with two engine rooms. If we buy we will most likely put in Perkins 135 hp engines as that is the design called for. My question [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="question"><p>Hi, My wife and I are looking at buying a 65&#8242; steel hull motorsailor that is not finished. By that I mean all that&#8217;s there is a complete hull with two engine rooms. If we buy we will most likely put in Perkins 135 hp engines as that is the design called for. My question today is about steering. The boat weighs at full load 96000 lbs. The rudder is a big one &#8211; 16&#8242;x14&#8242;x6&#8242; and weighs 500 lbs. I know very little about hydraulic steering but that seems to be what most of the shipyard managers whom I&#8217;ve talked to suggest. Which make would you recommend as being able to add to it, if and when the situation arises? And which has a back-up in case of power loss? Or which could work on batteries vs engine power? And where can I find this information written down (on the page or the web)? Thanks, Rod and Lucy </p></div><span id="more-1427"></span><div class="answer"><p>This is a tricky question. We&#8217;ve used both hydraulic and cable steering. In your case, with such a heavy boat and huge rudder, which I assume is keel attacked and therefore not counter-balanced, hydraulic with power assist is probably the way to go.</p> <p>We very much like the pilots that Will Hamm builds&#8211;extremely powerful gear and reliable, fairly priced. We&#8217;re just working with his gear on our latest project. My suggestion would be to contact Will at 206 780 2175 and see what he suggests. He can supply a complete system. Regards &#8211; Steve </p> <p align="center"></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Rudder Design and Steering Problem</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Dashew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve at SetSail, I&#8217;ve experienced significant weather helm sailing my 50&#8242; custom design cruising catamaran in winds 12-15+ knots. When entering an inlet in confused tidal currents, the helm is heavy and the vessel slow to respond under power. A growing concern among my designer, sailmaker, rigger and a couple of experienced sailors who&#8217;ve been [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="question"><p>Steve at SetSail, I&#8217;ve experienced significant weather helm sailing my 50&#8242; custom design cruising catamaran in winds 12-15+ knots. When entering an inlet in confused tidal currents, the helm is heavy and the vessel slow to respond under power. A growing concern among my designer, sailmaker, rigger and a couple of experienced sailors who&#8217;ve been aboard is that the rudders are undersized and/or unbalanced. Can you recommend any source(s) to help me understand more about rudder design and performance? Kind regards, Jim </p></div><span id="more-1428"></span><div class="answer"><p>Hi Jim: There is a section in our Offshore Cruising Encyclopedia about this. Steering problems, typically blamed on rudders, are usually the result of something else that is going on. If the designer is at a loss, then I would look for another multihull designer who knows his business.</p> <p>Increasing size and/or getting counter balance right is not difficult. The bigger question will be your rudder shafts, and how much load they can take. This will limit what you can do, unless you put in bigger rudder shafts.</p> <p>If they have enough meat on them, I&#8217;d just slap on some foam and fiberglass. You can probably do this for less cost than what a good designer would charge to evaluate the problem and design new rudders for you.</p> <p>Re counterbalance, we usually use between 17 and 19%. Varies with the rudder shape, proximity of the props, and if the rudders are buried below the hulls or not. Good luck &#8211; Steve </p> <p align="center"></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Self-Steering for Singlehanding in the Med</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Dashew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Steve, I am planning a single-handed voyage to the Med. and a few years cruising there before a return through the Caribbean and am looking for advice on the ideal self-steering set up for such a trip. So far it seems that a wind vane plus a tiller pilot to assist for motoring is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="question"><p>Hello Steve, I am planning a single-handed voyage to the Med. and a few years cruising there before a return through the Caribbean and am looking for advice on the ideal self-steering set up for such a trip. So far it seems that a wind vane plus a tiller pilot to assist for motoring is a good choice. This would work well offshore as it allows me to get some sleep in a situation (offshore) where going a little off course doesn&#8217;t matter too much. Sailing in the Med however requires more reliable course keeping and my question is whether or not the tillerpilot attached to the windvane will fill the auto pilot needs for this situation. I realize that there is a lot of motoring in the Med.in the summer but when it isn&#8217;t calm it is often blowing very hard and I am not sure that the tiller-pilot driving the vane will be up for this in the autopilot mode. I&#8217;d be most interested in your thoughts on this. Primary steering on the boat is a wheel. Regards, David </p></div><span id="more-1429"></span><div class="answer"><p>Hi David: Tough question&#8230;. The first issue is how easily your boat is steered under adverse conditions. The more grunt it takes, the more you need in the pilot. Most tiller pilots do not do a good job in difficult conditions, unless the boat is very well balanced, and the loads are light. My own feeling is that self steering system is more important than inverters, spinnakers, big dinghies, or anything else which is not on the critical for heavy weather sailing/anchoring list. So, I&#8217;d tend to go with the most powerful pilot you can afford before a lot of other gear. Steve </p> <p align="center"></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Self-Steering</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Dashew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the Dashews&#8217; book, in a chapter on self-steering, they make a comment on sheet-to-tiller self-steering. Would it be possible to have more details on the how-to-do-it?. Thank you. Claudio Hi Claudio: This is a big subject&#8211;one could write a whole book on this alone! Basically, you need to experiment. Every boat and set of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="question"><p>In the Dashews&#8217; book, in a chapter on self-steering, they make a comment on sheet-to-tiller self-steering. Would it be possible to have more details on the how-to-do-it?. Thank you. Claudio </p></div><span id="more-1430"></span><div class="answer"><p>Hi Claudio: This is a big subject&#8211;one could write a whole book on this alone! Basically, you need to experiment. Every boat and set of wind/sea conditions is different. Have several lengths/weights of bungee cord to play with&#8211;and half a dozen small blocks. Usually some form of small headsail&#8211;a staysail or storm jib is used to supply the steering pressure. Good Luck &#8211; Steve </p> <p align="center"></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Wind Vanes</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Dashew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Steve, I have just finished your Offshore Cruising Encyclopedia. What a book!! It is now on my bookshelf next to Calder, Marchji and Brion Toss &#8211; sitting with the greats!! Just a quick question though. You make no mention of wind-vane steering. Have you never fitted this or do you rely totally on electronic [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="question"><p>Dear Steve, I have just finished your Offshore Cruising Encyclopedia. What a book!! It is now on my bookshelf next to Calder, Marchji and Brion Toss &#8211; sitting with the greats!! Just a quick question though. You make no mention of wind-vane steering. Have you never fitted this or do you rely totally on electronic autopilots? Thanks, Howard, Cape Town, South Africa </p></div><span id="more-1431"></span><div class="answer"><p>Hi Howard: Actually, we do cover the basics on pages 60-61 &#8211; with a lot more detail on autpilots as they are a lot more difficult to decide on. Re: vanes, on smaller boats, where not a lot of motoring is required, they make the most sense. We like the servo pendulum types ourselves &#8211; Aires, Monitor types. We used an Aries on our 50-footer &#8211; which was a pig to steer in strong winds &#8211; and it did very well (especially in a black Southwester in the Aghulas Current coming to Durban many years ago). On the other hand, if you are going to be doing a lot of motoring, a reliable pilot makes the best sense to us &#8211; because it works when powering and when sailing. But you need a powerful, well built unit (we like WH Pilots from Bainbridge, Washington, USA). Regards &#8211; Steve </p> <p align="center"></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Back-up Self Steering</title>
		<link>http://setsail.com/back-up-self-steering/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Dashew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve &#038; Linda: What would be your recommendation on offshore aux. steering? We have a Beneteau 40CC with hydraulic steering. We have an Autohelm ST6000+ autopilot integrated into our chart plotter and GPS with Seatalk. We have solar panels, wind generator, two alternators (a large one dedicated to the house and a small 50 amp. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="question"><p>Steve &#038; Linda: What would be your recommendation on offshore aux. steering? We have a Beneteau 40CC with hydraulic steering. We have an Autohelm ST6000+ autopilot integrated into our chart plotter and GPS with Seatalk. We have solar panels, wind generator, two alternators (a large one dedicated to the house and a small 50 amp. One to the engine), and four 8D gels. Being that we have a center cockpit and hydraulic steering, a windvane does not seem to be the answer. To engage the windvane we would need to go below and put the hydraulics in the bypass mode and run the vane off of the emergency tiller. This does not seem safe.</p> <p> Another thought would be to put an aux. rudder type vane and just center lock the wheel. Being that we have fixed davits and a scoop/swim platform stern, that is not attractive either. My thinking is a back-up ST6000+ unit. Am I being dumb? My second remark is more of a comment on your Seamanship book. </p> <p>First off let me say the book, as all the others, are fantastic. My wife and I were a little shocked by the photo of your very young children high up in the spreaders at their ages with no tethers. As a farm boy I was climbing everything as a young child. As a result of a fall, I suffered a broken leg before I was two. This was done on solid ground, not a pitching boat. I know children are monkeys but I question its place in your Seamanship book. Thanks again and we are looking forward to any new works you produce. You guys are our role models. </p></div><span id="more-1432"></span><div class="answer"><p>Hi Mark and Janet: Re: a back up for your Autohelm &#8211; this is a tough question. The safest route is to back the system up with a servo-pendulum wind vane (not an auxiliary rudder type) and have it drive your emergency tiller &#8211; which I assume comes through the deck aft of the aft cabin. This approach gives you an efficient system for when it is really blowing, where it is likely the Autohelm may not handle your steering loads &#8211; and a back up in case of power failure (or a lightening hit which wipes out electronics). This is the approach we took on our smaller boats. The alternate is to just get a second Autohelm. If you are doing this, it is best to back up all the components, but not install them. Instead, stow them in some method where they have protection from the magnetic pulse which often accompanies a nearby lightening hit.</p> <p> Regarding the photo of the kids on Practical Seamanship &#8211; they were five and eight at this time, and the photo was taken inside the lagoon at Takaroa in the Tuamotus &#8211; flat calm. At sea, they were not allowed out of the cabin without a harness and tether, before they ascended the companionway steps. As there was a lot of running up and down, both Sarah and Elyse usually left on their harnesses. We had extra long tethers with which the kids could sit in the saloon and play, or use the cockpit. Steve Dashew </p> <p align="center"></div>]]></content:encoded>
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